Public a short excerpt from a post that struck me for its "weak", not to use words on the extreme ... Insorgente.Per blog chronicles the gentleman in question said voter and supporter of the PDL of Milan ... hours maybe we should explain that those who govern us is also chairman of his team of heart, but which manages the country like his team: the effects are there for all to see. I think we know ... and I think we also know that not a vote just because he is chairman of a football team as a winner (a bit less lately anyway ...), you can make an idea of how you have set the dialogue and pointlessness that I know yet the responses of two of the bloggers in particular ... without head tail is tell them little, and my doubts remain on patrol, as I have not received an answer ... I hope to get here on the blog where you can write without censorship preventive ... that ugly thing censorship! Ronde: adbicazione .... common sense! Post No. 52 published on 21 February 2009 arising from Tags: patrol, Vatican The establishment of patrols of volunteers to ensure safety in the cities "is un'abdicazione the rule of law." He said the secretary of the Pontifical Council for Migrants, Mgr. Agostino Marchetto. Excellence, with all due respect, I think that, rather, his statement is un'abdicazione common sense. While I find there: well expresses its views, we would fail, but does not do in the name of the Universal Church. Thank you. "Very often the media attribute to the" Vatican ", meaning the Holy See, comments and views which can not be automatically assigned. The Holy See, in fact, intends to speak authoritatively uses its own means and ways consistent ( releases, notes, statements). Any other statement does not have the same value. Even recently there have been no appropriate powers. The Holy See, in its representative bodies, shows respect for the civil authorities, who in their legitimate autonomy have the right and the duty to provide for the common good. " (Father Federico Lombardi Vatican press office director, on 21 February 2009)
L1700s on 27/02/09 at 12:43 p.m. via WEB Sorry but I do not understand the usefulness and necessity of patrols can someone explain to me? arising on 27/02/09 at 15:35 via WEB Quite frankly, I do not understand what the thinking is not useful. 1700s on 01/03/09 at 12:47 p.m. via WEB 1. These "rounds" disarmed, what use are they? If a criminal is caught in flagrante delicto (say a rape ...) but is armed members of the patrol should call reinforcements, right? 2.Tramite phone or radio? And if the criminal shoots and kills a member of the patrol (or hurts, do a little thing ...), you need to do if the other does not escape? 3rd Patrols do not have the power to stop, then would control the area? But as if not more than a weak deterrent? 4th I conclude with the fatigue of this function: people who return from work and have to spend the night to patrol the neighborhood, then in the morning should get up early to go to work, if I retired the last of 65enni for enforcing the law. Thanks in advance for any clarifications. Reply arising on 01/03/09 at 17:29 via WEB Start from the premise: what is the purpose? Certainly combat crimes whose resurgence is creating social alarm frequency and efferatezza.Il government will agree, could not leave things as they were without doing anything. The mayors, by agreement with the Prefects may use forms of collaboration by groups of citizens (not armed) useful to identify such cases of social or likely to harm the sicurezza.Un aid, not a replacement for police . That said, I note that this is not new, both in Italy and abroad. For example, "The Guardian Angels", an international non-profit volunteers, made up of armed citizens to control crime . He started in 1979 in New York City and today has offices in 11 countries and in over 100 cities worldwide. In Italy there are the City of Angels-Volunteers emergency road service to the citizens who work in city administration is from center right to center left: Milan-Rome-Naples-Turin-Bologna-Reggio Emilia-Terni-Novara-Varese.Sono convinced that, if not resolve, they can still give a good contributo.Per regarding his example, about the possibility that the patrols are to attend a crime, eg rape, I do not think it is realistic to think that a rapist is attacking his victim in a place frequented by ronde.Buona day, Gianpiero Reply valerio.sampieri on 01/03/09 at 19:21 via WEB I seem to have read some comments in previous assessments is not entirely accurate. The Code of Criminal Procedure now provides that: "Art.383 Faculty of arrest by private individuals 1st in case provided for 'art. 380 each person is authorized to make the arrest in flagrante delicto, in the case of crimes prosecution office. 2nd The person who performed the 'arrest shall without delay deliver l' detained and things make up the body of the crime to the police which will record the minutes of delivery and shall give a copy. " That option exists in relation to crimes of particular concern. In fact hardly anyone is aware of the standard, because it is more than justified that, in front of one or more offenders, the individual thinks, but who does it do me? ". Reply valerio.sampieri on 01/03/09 at 21:08 via WEB I apologize if my comment alone. In my opinion, the correct approach to the problem consists of a question: if I bump into someone, I prefer to meet a "patrol diverted" or criminal "is not diverted," which I then coupled with the peace of mind? Sincerely that the poor offender encounters a patrol was diverted issue that I care very little. The screams against razismo be justified when such incidents should occur, which in this case should be broken in the most effective. One of the criminals were not sure the White racists. Reply arising on 01/03/09 at 22:02 via WEB Thanks Valerio.Ovviamente share. Reply L1700s on 02/03/09 at 23:13 via WEB Do not think we understood: a question about the tour was not the blatant nature of crime in the case of a rapist, I was a provocation with a potential for a criminal armed tranquiilamente could dispose of a patrol unarmed, note See a camorra for example, killing and ferendoli. In addition, there has forgotten that if these patrols as we had the power to stop as they could impose the arrest without weapons? We understood? I first I oppose an arbitrary arrest of any patrol, why not consider them as police and carabinieri, which among other things it would be a long talk about the merits and defects. I hope I have clarified. Regards Reply L1700s on 02/03/09 at 23:17 via WEB almost forgot: From what I have just written on patrols would be concluded that they are themselves an "abdication of good sense" in the sense that nowhere has a bit of intelligence would make arrests by "civilians" unarmed and in there with age. And I think I have clarified what you think of both praised patrols, as they have already proven incidents of Padua, but may be dead to escape the notice of their ineffectiveness? Vista also "effectiveness" of the army in the streets after 6 months then why resort to patrol? The army is not enough? Reply arising on 03/03/09 at 09:13 via WEB His speech is articulated pittusto then the answer bringing your comments in italics: I do not think we understood: a question about the tour was not the blatant nature of crime in the case of a rapist, I was a provocation with a situation potential for a criminal armed tranquiilamente could dispose of a patrol unarmed, see a note such as Camorra, killing and ferendoli.Prima spoke of rape, armed camorra time, we lack only the Islamic terrorists with biological weapons or a procession of no-global breakdown-vetrine.Continua examples to do that, obviously, are of force or, to use his words, the "provocation." But if we take a step forward we have to remain the reality of the facts, ie of unarmed volunteers who not intend to arrest anyone, but only to help us track the territorio.Inoltre has forgotten that if these patrols as we had the power to stop as they could impose the arrest without weapons? We understood? I first I oppose an arbitrary arrest of any patrol, why not consider them as police and carabinieri, which among other things it would be a long talk about the virtues and defects ... ... ... .... anywhere with a bit of intelligence would make arrests by "civilians" unarmed and in there with the étale patrols, I repeat, do not aim to stop nessuno.Se refers to Valerio Sampieri, l ' Article 383 of the penal code exists irrespective ronde.Un stop under that article (if it ever presented the opportunity) could not be defined as "arbitrary" but under legge.E I think I have clarified what you think of both praised ronde ...
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